How Upset Should We Be with the Astros?

Maybe some of you have been following the developing scandal with the Houston Astros and their stealing of signs during the playoffs the past few years at home.  Does this make you angry?  Upset?  Or is this just baseball where as long as everyone is cheating, we are okay with that.  See PED usage where you know the players knew who was juicing but they wanted to keep doing it as well so no-one was looking to rat out anyone else.

Check out this tweet by Yankees’ 3rd Base Coach Phil Nevin who had this to say in game 1 of the ALCS in Houston:

Phil Nevin to Alex Bregman: “Tell your f-cking hitting coach I’m going to kick his f-cking ass.”

The Yankees were well aware that the Astros had been doing this for some time.  Baseball is a small community and there are few secrets.  From what SU has read, the Astros, for their home games, had a camera in center field that was showing the catcher’s signs going to a feed in their dugout.  Someone in the dugout would then bang a metal waste container to relay information on the incoming pitch to the batter.  Clever enough.  They also used a whistling sound to relay the information.  Was anyone surprised in game 5 of the ALDS this year vs the Rays when the first 5 or 6 batters hit rockets off of the Rays’ pitcher? SU says how cool would it have been if the announcers were aware of this and started talking about it?  And SU says,  how is it that the sports reporters who are around these teams do not know what’s going on?  Is that the deal?  If you out them, you won’t have access to the players and coaches/manager?

Already, Carlos Beltran, who was on the Astros’ 2017 team that is the focus of the investigation is being asked questions about what he knew.  Big distraction.  SU saw the home and away splits for the 2017 World Series for the Astro hitters.  It’s pretty obvious: guys hit about .500 at home with multiple home runs and .150 on the road with little power.

SU says it’s not that different from what the Patriots did a few years ago with their videotaping of coaches on the sidelines.  Before technology, baseball coaches could try and figure out signs and use that information to their advantage.  In baseball, that is considered to be acceptable – it’s using your brains to get an edge.  But apparently using technology to do it is taboo as not every team has the camera feed into the dugout.

The problem for baseball is that in order to thwart the sign stealing, yo have to start using multiple signs with no-one on base.  Have you ever seen Gary Sanchez go through his signs?  Do you wonder why Yankee games are 4 hours?   This is a direct result of what the Astros are doing and who knows which other teams.  It is directly impacting pace of play.  No one wants to watch games where the signs with no one on base take that long.

So, what is the solution?  A few options:

  • Start hitting batters.
  • Use technology to relay pitches to the pitcher.  Maybe the catcher can have something on his wrist like an Apple watch that relays it to the pitcher.  Of course, the Astros will bring in a new department of technology guys to break in or find a few Russian election hackers to do that for them (we know who they can contact for that – oh wait, no political talk here!!)
  • Fine the Astros and hope it stops – which it won’t

SU says you cannot use this an excuse if you are the Yankees, Dodgers or whoever.  If Phil Nevin and the Yankees knew about it, then they should have knocked down multiple Astro batters and gotten their point across.  SU believes everyone is trying to steal signs and maybe some others even use technology.  The Yankees have long suspected the Red Sox of doing this.  Let’s introduce technology – it will also speed up the game and it just can’t be that hard to do (see NFL and how they call plays).

SU is just not that upset.  But MLB is and it will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Your thoughts?

4 thoughts on “How Upset Should We Be with the Astros?”

  1. Let’s see – horses are disqualified, Olympic medalists have their medals taken away and yes PED users get suspended. If it is truly proven, strip them of their titles, rings and playoff money….Never going to happen, but as as Yankee fan, would be great to see.

  2. Fair points, Phil. You wonder how overt it was in this the ALCS this year. Apparently, before game 6, Boone met with Hinch below the stands to discuss what the Astros were doing. They are good friends going way back. You know the Yankees were on to whatever they were doing. Have to wonder if the Yankees alerted MLB during the series what the Astros were doing. FOX had all kinds of microphones in the dugouts. Would have been cool if they played replays of the whistles or the trash can banging noises. I predict the Astros lose some high draft picks as a result of all of this.

  3. I recommend the following:
    1) Take away all of Houston’s draft picks for this year.
    2) Suspend for one year all of Houston’s officials involved in this ( GM, Mgr. coaches etc.)
    3) Fine of $5 million
    4) Asterisk next to their 2017 championship

    If you think this is severe, consider that Pete Rose has been banned for life for betting on his own team and that Roger Maris was punished for the audacity of breaking the Babe’s record in 162 games with an asterisk. This is a black mark on the game and anything less than this rewards cheaters. There is nothing wrong with manually stealing signs from the dugout. When you start employing technology, it is way over the line.

  4. Another option that hasn’t been raised is accepting that it’s going to continue to happen and use it to your advantage if you’re the opposition. Mess with them. Have different signs every single pitch, make them think a curveball is coming when you’re throwing a fastball, make them think it’s sinker when it’s a changeup, etc. It might seem like a tall order but the Yankees front office is filled with intelligent people and they have the whole offseason to figure out a system that turns a disadvantage into an advantage.

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